Dit artikel brengt foute informatie als waarheid.
Dit is foutief overgenomen van op sensatie beluste Amerikaanse media.
De openbare aanklager Preet Bharara laat een aantal dingen weg.
Dit is één groot gevecht om de miljarden markt van online poker in Amerika.
Lees de hele aanklacht hier (118 pagina's) -->
http://resources.pokerstr...t--Amended-09-20-2011.pdf
Feit: Online poker was illegaal in Amerika
Feit2: Om dat te omzeilen en toch geld binnen te krijgen van Amerikaanse spelers werd er een fraude systeem opgezet. (pagina 18)
Feit3: Deze bedragen konden niet zomaar veilig op Amerikaanse banken gezet worden omdat online poker daar illegaal is.
Feit4: Via allemaal truukjes met credit cards en dergelijke kwam er toch geld van Amerikaanse spelers binnen.
Feit5: Iemand die op de hoogte was van het systeem klikte naar de Amerikaanse overheid.
Feit6: De Amerikaanse overheid haalde de grote pokersites offline.
Feit7: De DOJ heeft meer dan 150 miljoen dollar in beslag genomen! Daar kunnen alle Amerikaanse spelers van uitbetaald worden !!!!!
A few observations
1) It's no surprise the DOJ went after FTP like this. That is because a lot of their funds/distributions are in the U.S. Read the amendment. The only bank accounts specifically mentioned with balances are U.S. accounts owned by Tiltware, U.S. accounts owned by payment processors(like Sunlife,) U.S. marketing accounts(like Viable,) and U.S. accounts owned by the U.S. Board of FTP.
2) If FTP owes U.S. players ~$150M, and the DOJ has seized $115M from payment processors(including $42M forfeited to them by Daniel Tzvetkoff) prior to 4/15/2011 and also $60M seized on 4/15/2011, and now also all the other accounts listed in the amendment then the DOJ has currently seized more than FTP owes US players. Why aren't we demanding they give players that money?
3) The media hasn't been reporting this correctly. The editors in charge of the title of the MSM articles should be fired for incompetence/false reporting. The title of the other thread should be changed. It's simply not true on it's face. The 2+2 community knows that it is untrue. The numbers are incorrect and completely misleading, to say the least. The poker community should be outraged at the MSM's reporting of this, in large part because the justice dept actually used many major poker reporters work/forum posts in the complaint, but twisted everything around. Big numbers make page 1...but that's not enough. Corporate/political/media interests make page 1. You know it without me telling you.
1) Full Tilt apparently did not segregate players funds.
2) Full Tilt apparently credited player accounts with FTP "funds" that had not been debited from players bank accounts i.e. they floated deposits with the presumption that the transactions would go through shortly. They didn't, because the DOJ kept shutting the processors down and seizing the accounts.
3) The DOJ seized $115M prior to 4/15/2011(including $42M stolen/handed over to the DOJ by Daniel Tzvetkoff) + $59M+ seized on 4/15/2011
$150M owed US players - $174M+ seized by the DOJ = enough money to pay all the U.S. players back. And that doesn't even include the shortfall.
The U.S. DOJ/Gaming lobby does not care one bit about individual players in the U.S. getting their money back. It would be better for them if they didn't. Destroy old brand, build new better more trustworthy one. A U.S. brand.
Today's "amendment," as well as the civil suit filed in April, is an attempt to a) push non-US based online poker sites out of the market and b) recover, in the form of penalties, the profits made by those sites since the UIGEA was passed. Notice the wording of the amendment. "The FTP Insider Defendants are liable to the Government." "Full Tilt Poker used player funds, among other things(like profits,) to maintain a steady flow of payments to its owners, totaling more than $443 million over the last four years..."
Pokerstars and FTP made ridiculous sums of money from both of their operations during the period of the online boom. Many others tried as well. And the DOJ of the U.S. claims that they paid no taxes on their profit.
I can see why the U.S. DOJ was called in. I can understand why the U.S.A wants the back taxes, in the form of forfeiture of those companies/and owners assets, however and wherever they can find and seize them. But, I hate that it is the competing U.S. gaming lobby, especially because that lobby won't help FTP players get their money back. They need FTP players to never recover anything, to destroy that brand.
source:
http://forumserver.twoplu...-000-u-s-players-1101891/
Conclusie: Ja, er zijn illegale trucjes uitgehaald om toch Amerikanen te laten spelen. Alle pokersites deden dit. Ook Pokerstars.com.
Maar het geld dat van spelers is, is er nog en KAN uitbetaald worden.
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